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Gloria Romero Filipino actress Gloria Romero (pictured) dies at the age of 91. A fire at a ski resort hotel in Kartalkaya, Turkey, leaves at least 78 people dead and 51 others injured. A series of attacks by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leaves more than 80 people dead. A ceasefire agreement suspends the Israel–Hamas war, involving the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners. Ongoing: Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Tabish Mehdi André Soltner Mauricio Funes John Sykes Cecile Richards Kulanthai Shanmugalingam view — page history — related changes — edit

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January 27

Portal:Current events/2025 January 27

January 27, 2025 (2025-01-27) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict, Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda tensions (2022–present) M23 offensive (2022–present) Battle of Goma (2025) March 23 Movement rebels claim to have captured the Congolese city of Goma. (BBC) The government says its troops still hold the Goma International Airport and other key locations, and that Rwandan army soldiers are present in Goma. (BBC) (DW) Congolese and Rwandan forces exchange fire along the DRC–Rwanda border. (Al Jazeera)

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M23 offensive (2022-present)

Article: M23 offensive (2022–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Created by Applodion (talk · give credit)
• Updated by EdwinAlden.1995 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Thanks to many editor's efforts (especially EdwinAlden.1995), this article has been updated with new information in the past couple of days, and I believe it now meets the WP:ONGOING criteria provided updates to the situation are continuously added. Please let me know if I'm missing something. Thanks, Staraction (talk | contribs) 07:25, 27 January 2025 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

Support congo had also de-recognized rwanda and peacekeepers killd.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:10, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait to see if it escalates. Right now, it's only a renewed offensive towards Goma. If the rebels make significant advances and the conflict escalates, consider this a support. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:51, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I saw an article that said a two-party summit between Rwanda (who is supporting M23) and DR Congo mediated by Kenya is planned "within the next 48 hours" so oppose until that does (or doesn't) happen, and then maybe support if it expands further in scope. Departure– (talk) 14:22, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

January 26

Portal:Current events/2025 January 26

January 26, 2025 (2025-01-26) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement January 2025 southern Lebanon attack Israeli soldiers open fire against the Lebanese Army and civilians in two villages in southern Lebanon, killing 22 people and wounding at least 124 more. (Al Jazeera) (The Times of Israel) The United States announces that the ceasefire will be extended to February 18. (Axios) Boko Haram insurgency At least 27 Nigerian soldiers, including the commanding officer of the 149th Battalion, are killed and dozens of others wounded in a suicide bombing carried out by an Islamic State fighter in the Malam-Fatori, Borno State, Nigeria. (Al Jazeera) (AFP via Inquirer) Russian invasion of Ukraine Velyka Novosilka offensive Russian forces capture the village of Velyka Novosilka, Donetsk Oblast. (Mathrubhumi) Kivu conflict M23 offensive (2022–present) Battle of Goma (2025) March 23 Movement rebels begin their advance into the city of Goma. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy The Syrian newspaper Enab Baladi announces it will return to Syria after a decade in exile following the beginning of the Syrian civil war. (The New Arab) International relations Colombia–United States relations Mass deportation of immigrants in the second presidency of Donald Trump Colombian President Gustavo Petro blocks two U.S. military aircraft carrying deported Colombians as part of U.S. President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown from landing in his country. (The Guardian) President Trump enacts a 25% tariff on all goods traded to the U.S. from Colombia, which will be raised to 50% in one week. (CNN) Hours after Trump's announcement, President Petro orders the commerce ministry to raise tariffs on U.S. imports by 25%. (CNN) The dispute is settled with an agreement to use the Colombian presidential plane to fly the deportees from the U.S. to Colombia. (AP) (The Hill) Belarus–United States relations U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio announces the release of American citizen Anastasia Nufer from a prison in Belarus. (Rferl.org) Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda tensions (2022–present) UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres urges Rwanda to end its support for rebels in DR Congo and withdraw Rwandan soldiers from Congolese territory. (Al Jazeera) Congolese Foreign Minister Thérèse Kayikwamba Wagner calls Rwanda's military support for M23 rebels a "declaration of war". (DW) Law and crime 2024 South Korean martial law crisis South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol is formally indicted on insurrection charges over his declaration of martial law in December 2024. (The Washington Post) Politics and elections 2025 Belarusian presidential election A vote is held in Belarus for president, with President Alexander Lukashenko expected to extend his rule in an election that the Belarusian opposition, the United States, and the European Parliament have called a sham election. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2025 ATP Tour 2025 Australian Open In tennis, Jannik Sinner defeats Alexander Zverev 6–3, 7–6 (7–4), 6–3, in the men's singles final to win his second Australian Open title and his third Grand Slam overall. (The Guardian) (ATP News) 2025 IMSA SportsCar Championship 2025 24 Hours of Daytona In motor racing, the Porsche Penske Motorsport team wins the 63rd 24 Hours of Daytona endurance race with drivers Felipe Nasr, Nick Tandy, and Laurens Vanthoor. (The Daytona Beach News-Journal) In association football, Chelsea Women sign American defender Naomi Girma from San Diego Wave for a world-record fee of US$1.1 million, making her the most expensive woman player and the first million-dollar transfer in women's soccer. (CBS Sports)

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2025 Australian Open

Article: 2025 Australian Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Jannik Sinner (pictured) wins the men's singles and Madison Keys wins the women's singles at the Australian Open. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Moraljaya67 (talk) 12:25, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose As mentioned in the past, like many tennis articles before it, lacks any prose summary in the main article about the events themselves and very little prose in the singles' articles. It has only just tables and lists of the results from the finals. There are four redlinks of four events of the tournament. LiamKorda 13:11, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as no useful prose. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Support as the ITNR. Sinsyuan✍️🌏🚀 01:10, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support as ITN/R, oppose on quality. As the people above have stated, the article is mostly tables and very little prose. Once the article is improved, I support. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:53, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Belarusian presidential election

Article: 2025 Belarusian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alexander Lukashenko (pictured) is the declared to be the winner of the Belarusian presidential election, securing a seventh term. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: As the Putin re-election was similarly nominated and posted. ArionStar (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment: External links in the Opinion polls section. Shouldn't those be references? Is Chatham House in there the Chatham House? – robertsky (talk) 02:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Just waiting for the obvious results. ArionStar (talk) 03:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Wait for the results to come in. I wonder who's going to win. Departure– (talk) Departure– (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait until the results are officially out, although it would be reasonable to assume Lukashenko's victory it is only fair we wait until it is official. Editor 5426387 (talk) 04:31, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Water is wet, more at eleven This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wait, even though we know who's going to win, it's mostly for formalities. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:16, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait – Per above ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait until they officially announce his victory. -insert valid name here- (talk) 17:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - WE should have neither posted the Belarussian or Russian elections. It was 100% guaranteed who would win, everyone knows that. This is not exciting, we dont post the North Korean elections either so whats the big deal with Belarus and Russia? More northerncentrism. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

we literally posted the 2024 russian election… Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Best as I can tell, the last NK election in 2019 were never nominated, so that's not a good example point to raise. Also, while much of the rest of the world see this as a sham election, we had this discussion just last year that ITN shouldn't be the place to judge that, but the article space itself (see Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 110)) --Masem (t) 18:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Offhand dismissing noms you don’t like by accusing them of northcentrism is a great way to eventually get yourself removed from the ITN/C board. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:38, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose – Holy shit what an upset. In all seriousness I don't think we should post blatantly rigged elections, with few exceptions (Russia I'd argue could count as one due to its size and significance) PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• oppose lack of information about other candidates campaign or their viewpoints.Shadow4dark (talk) 20:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think that presidential "elections" in unitary dictatorships qualify as ITN. Nfitz (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

strong support ITNR elections (particularly head of state) don't matter if you like the result or not.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:11, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per ITN/R. I advertised the problem with elections in authoritarian countries and even proposed changes in the wording on ITN/R some time ago, but they were disregarded because it’s not that we shouldn’t post unfair and non-free elections. So, please be consistent and swallow the pill.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:59, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Breaking news: dictator is still a dictator. In other news, the sun is expected to rise in the east tomorrow. qw3rty 01:29, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support ITNR items shouldn't be rejected on value judgments, changes about/rejection of "sham" elections should be first sought in that space. As of now this is perfectly valid to post based on article quality. Gotitbro (talk) 01:46, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Support per ITNR Ion.want.uu (talk) 03:08, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment guys we posted the 2024 Russian presidential election, which lets be real was just as rigged, but we argeed that we were going to post these things regardless of legitmacy. Check the archives for the discussion Ion.want.uu (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Dictator wins rigged election again. What a shock. Noah, BSBA^Talk 03:21, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per ITN/R. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:42, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support Although the election is obviously rigged, its result is the reinstatement of a head of a big European country. In this regard, it's newsworthy. I'd suggest an altblurb along the lines, "Aleksandr Lukashenko secures his seventh term as President of Belarus in an election that is mostly considered rigged worldwide. Trepang2 (talk) 07:24, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Regardless of whether the election was rigged or not, we post all ITN/R elections as long as the article's quality is good, of which this article is an example of. We don't omit things from ITN just because we don't think they should be posted. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  I don’t agree that this should be ITN/R. People seem to be gung-ho about posting that the sun has risen once again. Giving these dictators recognition is akin to giving sock masters recognition. We should be denying them recognition for winning when it’s a mere formality. End rant. Noah, BSBA^Talk 11:49, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Hurricane Noah: I completely get your point and had similar thoughts when opening up this discussion last year, which was eventually archived without any change. So, if you wish to contest the inclusion of 'rigged' elections, you're encouraged to re-open a similar discussion on the talk page. A pile-up of oppose votes is a very good indicator that there's interest to revisit our criteria once again, but it's not going to turn this nomination down when there's a clear note that an ITN/R event is merely subject to quality improvements. One exception is that sometimes we invoke WP:IAR when there are unusual circumstances, but this is clearly not a unique case as there are other countries with 'rigged' elections.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:04, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per Fakescientist8000, we post on ITN not because WP is a news agency, but to feature our articles currently in news. For the fact that it may be rigged, the article discusses it, sp let the readers decide for themselves. --𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 12:59, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

January 25

Portal:Current events/2025 January 25

January 25, 2025 (2025-01-25) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Colombian conflict Catatumbo campaign 2025 Catatumbo clashes Eighty-four National Liberation Army (ELN) combatants surrender to Colombian authorities as offensive operations resume in the Catatumbo region. Colombian authorities also rescue 20 child soldiers from the ELN's 33rd Front. (El Colombiano) A police officer is shot dead by an ELN sniper in Río Iró, Chocó Department, Colombia. (El Tiempo) Israel–Hamas war 2025 Israel–Hamas ceasefire, Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis Israeli forces open fire on a crowd of displaced Palestinians waiting at the Netzarim Corridor, killing two people and wounding seven others, including a child. Israeli authorities allege that the shooting was due to the delayed release of Israeli hostage Arbel Yahud. (Anadolu Ajansi) (Al Jazeera) Hamas frees four Israeli hostages, including Naama Levy, in exchange for 200 Palestinian prisoners, including 121 people serving life sentences after being convicted of carrying out deadly attacks against Israelis, as part of the ceasefire deal. (AP) Israel accuses Hamas of violating the deal by failing to release female civilians, including Arbel Yehud, before female soldiers. As a result, Israel blocks Palestinians from returning to North Gaza through the Netzarim Corridor. (AP) (The Times of Israel) (BBC News) Sudanese civil war Siege of El Fasher At least 70 people are killed in a drone attack on the Saudi Hospital, one of the last functioning hospitals in El Fasher, Sudan. (AP) Kivu conflict M23 offensive (2022–present) Thirteen peacekeepers, including nine from South Africa, three from Malawi and one from Uruguay, are killed as fighting intensifies in the Democratic Republic of the Congo between government forces and M23 rebels, the latter backed by the Rwandan military. (Le Monde) International relations Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda tensions (2022–present) DR Congo severed its diplomatic relations with Rwanda as Rwandan-backed rebels advance on the city of Goma, the capital of the DRC's North Kivu province. (The Guardian) Law and crime Islam and blasphemy, Capital punishment in Pakistan A Pakistani court sentences four people to death for blasphemy, after they allegedly posted sacrilegious material on social media about Islamic religious figures and the Quran. (Al Arabiya) A heist at the Drents Museum in Assen, Netherlands, results in the loss of valuable Dacian gold and silver artifacts, including the Helmet of Coțofenești. (Dutch News) (Romania Insider) Politics and elections 2025 Greek presidential election The Hellenic Parliament fail to elect the new President of Greece. A second round is called between the candidates Konstantinos Tasoulas and Louka Katseli. (Reuters) Sports 2025 Australian Open In tennis, Madison Keys wins her first major title after defeating the two-time defending champion Aryna Sabalenka, 6–3, 2–6, 7–5, to win the women's singles title at the Australian Open. (CNN) Henry Patten and Harri Heliövaara defeat Simone Bolelli and Andrea Vavassori 6–7 (16–18), 7–6 (7–5), 6–3, in the men's doubles final to win their first Australian Open title and their second joint Grand Slam title. (BBC News) (AO) Kateřina Siniaková and Taylor Townsend defeats Hsieh Su-wei and Jeļena Ostapenko 6–2, 6–7 (4–7), 6–3, to win the women's doubles final title.

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Drents Museum heist

Article: Drents Museum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Several artifacts are lost in a heist at the Drents Museum in Assen, Netherlands, including the Helmet of Coțofenești (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): Romania Insider
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

 ArionStar (talk) 00:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose No stand alone article and the event has all of four sentences in the linked page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:04, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  A standalone article is not required for ITN, and given how short the Drents article is, it seems completely reasonable an expanded section (more than four sentences) in there would be better. Masem (t) 01:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose A tragic outcome for these artifacts, but there's no heist article and it doesn't look like too much was taken other than the helmet. I'll add that other artifacts being destroyed probably would also fail an ITN blurb (unless they were internationally iconic or otherwise extremely important). Departure– (talk) 01:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Well, the helmet has a stand-alone article. There aren’t many helmets that have a standalone article. So yes, the helmet is “iconic or otherwise extremely important”. Otherwise the blurb can be having the helmet as main topic: The Helmet of Coțofenești (pictured) and other artifacts are lost in a heist at the Drents Museum in Assen, Netherlands. 206.0.71.49 (talk) 04:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support I've long been of the opinion that peddlers of encyclopedic information would do well to push subjects like Assen, the Drents Museum and its (now-former) Helmet of Coțofenești. A standalone article would be too short and redundant to the section we already know we could teach. This all being in the news now is the perfect (probably only) opportunity. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:49, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Chesspugnator (talk) 02:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support conditionally upon a dedicated article being created for it This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Again there is no requirement for a separate article for ITN, and in terms of NOTNEWS/NEVENTS, not every event needs its own article. Expanding the museum article to cover the heist, at this point given what coverage I see, is a completely acceptable solution for WP in general and for meeting ITN requirements. — Masem (t) 13:09, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Notable heist with international coverage. 206.0.71.49 (talk) 06:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, however required either expansion in update or a new good article for quality. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor(2) _{Ping Me🔔} 08:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability However I agree, the section should either be expanded or an article should be created to demonstrate how newsworthy/impactful this event is. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:57, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Support – I think it’s notable, but the article just hasn’t been expanded enough yet ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support – extremely notable event and tragic not only for Romanian history but for all universal culture. I have improved the Drents Museum article.- Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 17:20, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you! ArionStar (talk) 17:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article needs more sourcing and copy editing to get this article quality up to standard. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Support i feel we have reached sufficient prose in the article, plus this artifact is historically significant Ion.want.uu (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Support. It is like a movie plot. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

(ATTENTION NEEDED - Posted) RD: Gloria Romero (actress)

Article: Gloria Romero (actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Filipino actress Gloria Romero (pictured) dies at the age of 91. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Queen of Philippine Cinema Gloria Romero (pictured) dies at the age of 91.
News source(s): GMA News Rappler ABS-CBN News
Credits:

• Nominated by Royiswariii (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ROY is WAR Talk! 02:03, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Weak Support RD Two cn tags on an otherwise solid and surprisingly well sourced page. I don't think they are serious enough to stop posting. The subject was one of the most famous actresses in the Philippines. If the two CN tags are fixed, I'd seriously consider supporting a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:47, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

  Ad Orientem, I fix the two CN so it's Done! I'll change my nom into a blurb. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Support Blurb -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Article in good shape, and while I've never heard of her, the Legacy section satisfies explaining why she was a major/great figure (in this case, one of the leading females in the Philippine film industry). --Masem (t) 02:27, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Someone outside the Global North stream. ArionStar (talk) 03:09, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb per Masem HurricaneEdgar 03:30, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted blurb. – robertsky (talk) 09:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. These should be reserved for people with a global reputation. Sandstein 11:11, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Sandstein, it is posted on ITN, there's no way to remove a posted ITN. ROY is WAR Talk! 11:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Royiswariii: It could be if there is a consensus, there are precedents to it. See WP:ITN/A§ITN/C. -𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor(2) _{Ping Me🔔} 11:42, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Nothing in ITN requires a global reputation, and in fact, focusing on reputation, fame, or similar concepts is what leads to popularity contests for supporting blurb posts like Betty White or Carrie Fisher. --Masem (t) 12:46, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  But, why Liam Payne's blurb was opposed on ITN? Masem, I'm just curious. ROY is WAR Talk! 13:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Because while he might have been famous (as part of One Direction), there wasn't any indication he was a major/great figure in terms of having any type of legacy or impact that could be demonstrated. That's why posting blurbs based on fame or popularity or being well-known is not what we should be doing. That ITNC shows the same popularity contest in !voting that comes when blurbs are suggested for the deaths of famous celebrities without any consideration of the other reasons that we generally support death blurbs. Masem (t) 13:39, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  While I (post-posting) support this blurb as one unfamiliar, it’s surprising Rickey Henderson didn’t get posted with this same logic, as his legacy in the sport was discussed extensively in his article. Double standard due to anti-American bias. DrewieStewie (talk) 16:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  The assessment of "great/major figure" in their field requires looking at the field. For Henderson, that's baseball (or even just American baseball), and while he had some records, the consensus was that in terms of a great/major figure in baseball, that simply wasn't there. Having a lot of records doesn't necessary indicate having a legacy or impact on the sport. --Masem (t) 18:16, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  One can easily observe that the same is true about Romero: While she may have been famous within the cinema of the Philippes, there is no indication she was a major/great figure in terms of having any type of legacy or impact that can be demonstrated. Local heroes don't get blurbs. Wild that you'd oppose Betty White but support Romero. Fundamental misunderstanding of the role of ITN and the relationship between news and the public interest. Dr Fell (talk) 18:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  There's a whole legacy section in Romero's article, nothing like that was established for White or Fisher. Masem (t) 18:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Sandstein. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 11:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Article in good shape and the legacy section perfectly reflects her impact to her field and why she was such an influential figure in said field. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:42, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Post posting support per all above. Article quality is good and the subject's notability defines her part in the industry. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:23, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb. High quality article, concern with TDKR. Spencer^T•C 13:49, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Pull per Sandstein. The fact that theres "(actress)" in her article title says a lot as well... TwistedAxe [contact] 15:13, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

There's a requested move out for that right now – the only other article with the exact name is a California state senator, so it's pretty obvious what the primary reference is. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:25, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm sure we also have multiple people named "Bill Gates" or "Samuel Jackson" on Wikipedia, yet we don't put "(actor)" in their title and never have – those people don't even need an introduction as to who they are. Infact, I think Samuel is a great comparison to use – we have around 2 dozen people named "Samuel Jackson" who have their own article on Wikipedia; yet if you search up "Samuel Jackson", you'll get the actor that everyone knows. I get Gloria isn't on the same level, but if we were to have 5 more people also named "Gloria Romero", would that move still be even valid? Gloria barely scratches the surface of being famous as shown by the article title as well as other people pointing out that her Wikipages are far lower than other people who were not blurbed in the past on ITN. TwistedAxe [contact] 02:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Second pull: Blurb was posted preemptively with little support. Strong arguments for the blurb have not materialized among supporters. Dr Fell (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Post-posting support – top-importance Phillipine article. Departure– (talk) 15:16, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Post-posting support – Clearly highly significant. I think that we should be posting blurbs for people of great national significance from countries around the world, and from the arts. This is a shining example of both. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:25, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support ITNRD blurbs figures which have left a significant impact on their field (here cinema of the Philippines) which is met here. Cheers to the editors for recogonizing the blurb potential here, should also make us re-asses the non-postings of Kirk Douglas, Olivia de Havilland, Alain Delon etc. Gotitbro (talk) 15:44, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Blurb? Are you serious? She has 10 wiki pages, we did not blurb Donald Sutherland with over 80 wiki pages, or Alain Delon with over 120 pages. We didn't blurb James Earl Jones, Christopher Plummer, Ennio Morricone, Angela Lansbury, William Friedkin. Matthew Perry, Shannon Doherty, Andre Braugher, Tom Sizemore and Ray Stevenson, who died relatively young, even Julian Sands. Why do we need to blub lesser known persons just because they are not European or American?

If we need to blurb people from different countries and people of national significance, why we did not blurb Greek actress Irene Papas who won awards, and Anouk Aimee who was nominated for Oscar.

There are people outside of US and Europe who are famous, but we also heard of them and they have more wiki pages and have worldwide coverage. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Because unlike those others whom all may be popular, Romero is demonstrated to be a great/major figure as well as had a high quality article at the time of nomination. Famous is not a rationale for posting blurbs. Masem (t) 16:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I remember your argument that person gets blurb when transformative, not when famous.

But I don't see why we blurb person who we have not heard of while we do not blurb the persons whom we know, whom everyone knows. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Because blurbs are meant for extraordinary deaths, which either are tied to the means of death (like assassinations) or people that are recognized as major figures within their field. Just being famous satisfy neither. ITN is not meant to simply repeat the news but to highlight quality articles that are in the news, and generally for major figures, their articles are going to be of high quality to demonstrate that element. Masem (t) 16:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

She is not more transformative than James Earl Jones who had theatre renamed after him, in competitive US

If we got to person being transformative on national level, then why we did not blurb former heads of states in Europe, because there were many that were not blurbed. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

There is literally large section of influence in Ennio Morricone article. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:56, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

@BilboBeggins: First things first, what do you mean by Wikipages? The pages linked to them? 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor(2) _{Ping Me🔔} 16:20, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I think the created article related to Romero. ROY is WAR Talk! 16:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles in different languages BilboBeggins (talk) 16:44, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Morricone is another good example where I would say we again went off the track, whose article opens with "With more than 400 scores for cinema and television, as well as more than 100 classical works, Morricone is widely considered one of the most prolific and greatest film composers of all time."

The article for Alain Delon also notes in its lead para "His style, looks, and roles, which made him an international icon, earned him enduring popularity."

I am not sure about the other examples, who while popular, do not appear to be transformative.

Amakuru raises an important question below of precedent for a high ITN bar, but bad precedents should be replaced. We did not stick with the Thatcher/Mandela model nor with the White/Fisher one; reassesments can and should be made. Gotitbro (talk) 03:57, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Post-posting support: I would like to direct all whom it may concern to the List of countries by English-speaking population. Here is the list of countries with more English-speakers than the Philippines: the US, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia. For a pure personal anecdote: this rather pale fellow in the US has heard of her. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:51, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Just noting that some of this debate could have been avoided if this discussion was given a more proper length of time to breathe before the blurb was posted. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:03, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  This debate should be greater, loosening some guidelines on death blurbs. If a dead person is at the top of his/her/their field (in national terms), that's already enough; vide Death of Silvio Santos. ArionStar (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Post-posting strong oppose blurb: Romero's death was not extraordinary; she was not a transformational figure nor someone of glittering renown. RD would have been appropriate, but a blurb makes a mockery of ITN. As Bilbo noted above, figures who were actually leading or transformational performers were not given death blurbs. Blurbing Romero simply makes ITN less useful to readers. Dr Fell (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

A pity for the past but we should change the guidelines, then. ArionStar (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

How they can be changed? Some persons who were far more worldwide known were not blurbed with arguments "never heard of him". Why this is not taken into account when it was taken into account with person who were truly not likely to have been unheard, like Delon?

ITN is just not consistent. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree that ITN is not consistent. What is obvious to an actual news organization – which deaths are newsworthy and to what degree – is completely lost on those voting for RDs and blurbs. All too frequently, trivial third world figures pop up who may have been local favorites but are unheard of outside of their region and have had no lasting impact in their domain. Delon, of course, should have been blurbed. There needs to be some objective measure of reader interest in the figure. Dr Fell (talk) 05:26, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dr Fell: "trivial third world figures", really? Better strike this clearly offensive usage. ITN is not a WP:FORUM and basic WP:CIVILITY applies. Gotitbro (talk) 11:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

kinda discrimination or racist ROY is WAR Talk! 11:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Royiswariii: Your opinion, but do not label anyone directly as racist, that's defamatory too. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 11:35, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

None of those in that list are people that demonstrate how they meet being major/great figures. Being popular is not a reason on its own for being a major/great figure, nor is simply having a lot of acting credits or having a lot of industry awards. Those are all can lead towards that, but all that still has to be supported by sources to demonstrate how they were a major/great figure to avoid original research on the part of Wikipedia editors. Which we have for in Romero's case (the Legacy section to explain how she's called the Queen of Phillipine cinema). — Masem (t) 18:40, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

If she is that transformative, why there are articles only in languages of countries near her, English and Dutch? Why she is not known worldwide? BilboBeggins (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

We're a global encyclopedia, not the English-world only encyclopedia. Masem (t) 18:58, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

But there is no evidence of her being known on global level. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

"known on global level" = "popularity" which is discussed in length by Masem above. Don't just repeat the question. Also, for the supporters, the evidence they need is of her legacy which is available on her article. -𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor(2) _{Ping Me🔔} 21:39, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

If somebody transformed a small country, non-influential in world politics, or its culture, like Luxembourg, Monaco, Georgia, Moldova, Bulgaria, CAR, Gabon, will he still be blurbed? BilboBeggins (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

There's a big difference between a country of millions upon millions of people and Monaco, a country with 30,000 people. But yes, I'd sure hope an incredibly influential cultural figure from Georgia or the CAR gets blurbed. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 22:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

BilboBeggins, I don't know what is your basis. ITN doesn't required to be "super" famous well known the article of a death person. If your basis is the famous of the person rather than the notability and the quality of the person, you shouldn't do that. Your basis is completely wrong. ITN needs the high quality articles and notability. Is there any guidlines on the ITN that required to be "super" well known article? Because, with due respect, I think you're just creating your own rules and not following the rules of ITN. ROY is WAR Talk! 22:58, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Donald Sutherland and Christopher Plummer had been in important ground breaking movies. Sutherland in MASH, Klute, Nicholas Roeg film, JFK, he worked with numerous important filmmakers.

Plummer was in Sound of Music, Insider, he was the oldest Academy Award nominee, so this is also encyclopedic content.

And they were Canadians, top actors in Canada.

If the rationale is that person was blurbed because she was famous on national level, then they should have been. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:20, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

On the contrary – all of the people @BilboBeggins listed are more significant than Romero. But that doesn't mean they all warranted a blurb, of course. It just highlights the absurdity of blurbing Romero and underscores how her blurb is an act of vandalism against the integrity of ITN. The sources you cite betray your own argument. Filipino media called Romero the 'Queen of Philippine cinema' because she was popular. It's not a statement of transformational value. And unlike Betty White, the 'First Last of Television,' the reach of her impact was limited to a trivial national cinema. But even your statement on popularity is wrong: the death of a popular public figure is potentially newsworthy and potentially blurb-worthy. Forced blurbs for trivial figures must be opposed. Dr Fell (talk) 05:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dr Fell: Do not vote pull/oppose multiple times. Mark one as comment or strike it. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor(2) _{Ping Me🔔} 20:44, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Blurb Obviously one of the biggest figures in the Filipino cultural scene Udder1882 (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb – given our level of notability required for blurbing in the past. Ultimately, it would be nice if we had some consistency on which people we blurb, rather than just going with whatever the "consensus" amongst people who happen to show up at the discussion is. I'm not actually as fussed as others about which side of the fence we land on with respect to blurbing quite a few names or only a very few, but ultimately if we make the decision to set the bar high and not blurb influential figures such as Kirk Douglas and Vera Lynn, then we shouldn't a few years later turn around and blurb someone whose impact is fairly clearly the same or lower.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support – Some notable figures not getting blurbs in the past is no reason why we should decide not to feature an extremely influential cultural figure. 'Other stuff (doesn't) exist' shouldn't apply. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 22:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Generalissima I don't really undersand on the people who vote opposed that they required on ITN "super" well-known article rather than the quality of the article and the notability. Tell me, is there any guidlines on ITN that requires "super" well-known person of article? Because, we all not informed on that rules, lol. ROY is WAR Talk! 23:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  The rules are quite open-ended. See WP:ITNRDBLURB.—Bagumba (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  Bagumba, I think it's passed on blurb and like I said, her major contribution in Philippine Film Industry, culture and arts are big loss of her death, but her legacy on Philippine culture and film industry is a extraordinary and also her awards are phenomenal. ROY is WAR Talk! 03:57, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  "The Queen of Philippine Cinema" can't passed easily to a newbie actress or let's say in mid actress like Susan Roces was also a legendary too, but it's almost like Gloria Romero and with her during the Golden Age of the Philippine Film Industry . ROY is WAR Talk! 04:02, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  'The Queen of Philippine Cinema' doesn't mean anything. This is like saying the 'King of My Neighborhood' deserves a blurb because he scolded everyone to keep their lawns tidy. Local heroes do not get blurbs. She may have been a popular, long-standing figure in Philippine cinema but her impact on cinema is nonexistent. No real notability. No real transformational impact. Dr Fell (talk) 05:06, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Dr Fell, BilboBeggins and others. Given the deaths noted that are not blurbed, I agree that this posting makes a mockery of ITN. I suggest the blurb be pulled and the name listed in RD. Jusdafax (talk) 23:48, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Pull blurb, support RD: When looking at her legacy section, all I see are articles written in Philippine media which explicitly qualify her legacy as solely Filipino. She has absolutely no international influence. Described by The Manila Times as one of the most iconic figures in Philippine film industry, Romero was one of the last surviving stars from the first Golden Age of Philippine cinema... Critics named her the longest reigning Philippine movie queen... There is absolutely no better way of defining the Filipino movie queen than Gloria Romero... Often referred to as the "Queen of Philippine Cinema". I could go on and on but I think I made my point. Not a single reference talking about her impact internationally. In fact, I googled Gloria Romero and even though I'm in the US, not a single non-Filipino news source popped up reporting her death. Even when I changed my search region on Google to the Philippines, the the California politician shows up in the results. Alain Delon was not blurbed even though his legacy section talks about his influence outside of France. Many baseball and basketball players are not blurbed because those sports are American despite the fact that those sports have significant cultural impact in non-US countries.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 03:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm in Brazil and I found a Pakistani report. ArionStar (talk) 05:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

ArionStar So, it means it is passed and can blurb of Romero. ROY is WAR Talk! 05:52, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

That is AI-generated slop. Unlikely that Romero has received any siginificant coverage outside the Philippines. Though that shouldn't impede ITN process or criteria. Gotitbro (talk) 09:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• I already said this, the ITN criteria state that an individual made a profound impact on their national culture or field of work can merit inclusion. Gloria Romero's legacy as the "Queen of Philippine Cinema" her status as the longest reigning movie queen, and her pivotal role in Philippine cinema Golden Age cement her impotance as a cultural figure in the Philippines. Her influence is undeniable within her national context, which aligns with ITN inclusivity for non global yet significant figures. While Romero may not have had international recognition, her death remarks the end of an era for the Philippine Golden Age of Cinema. Her major contribution to Philippine Film Industry and culture of Philippines fits well within these parameters. ROY is WAR Talk! 03:53, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  Just like Susan Roces who was with her in the Golden Age of Philippine Film Industry who is also dead. If you do research or read the biography of Romero, you'll know that her legacy was a major impact on Philippine Film Industry and also in Television since she's appeared on some programs on Philippines. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:05, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  International renown has never been an ITN criteria, impact in the field of work is. We posted Dilip Kumar without much hassle for example. And Delon should have been blurbed.

  The US basketball/baseball players who were not posted perhaps did not meet this criteria (popular and known but not with lasting impact on the sport). Gotitbro (talk) 04:07, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  It's different on the legacy of sports and film industry. I'm talking about the Film Industry. With due respect, International renown is not ITN requirememt, what matters is the individual's impact in their field, notability and high quality article. She wasn't just a star, she was a defining figure of the Golden Age of Phililpine cinema, often described as "Queen of Philippine Cinema". These titles are not mere to accolades but reflection of her profound influence on the development and legacy of the Filipino film industry. Like I said, If you comparing to a US basketball or baseball is so obviously off topic since those example pertain sports rather than the arts. Film is a medium with a nation cultural identity, and Romero's influence is evident in how she shaped the cinematic narrative of an entire country. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  I really think it's time to cease the death blurbs… so subjective and exhausting… ArionStar (talk) 05:05, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  Most of them aren't, like we had of Jimmy Carter or Manmohan Singh. -𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 06:11, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  I agree, it is posted and let the blurb alone. ROY is WAR Talk! 06:13, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Pull blurb, support RD RD exists precisely because it would be too much to blurb every notable person's death—that's also why it only requires a good quality article ever since Wikipedia talk:In the news/2016 RD proposal. Global relevance is not explicitly stated in current guidelines, but is actually a very good line to draw considering the explicit intention that blurbing deaths should be rare. And frankly, we should stop treating RD as some kind of second-place finish—being important enough to have a Wikipedia article of good quality is already a very high bar, as proven by the amount of RD candidates here that don't make it to the main page. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:19, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  I second this. TwistedAxe [contact] 08:46, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Pull blurb, support RD per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:22, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, Neutral for Pull: Voting just to have a say, that this discussion has become overstretched because of repeated unnecessary comparisons. However, focus could be on if her legacy is enough to account for a blurb. I see there are various other old Filipino actors/actresses whose legacy is at par or exceed that of her, and I am sure that not everyone deserves a blurb. Popularity, at the end, does have a role to play, at least in her home country where not all the generations might know her as a true blurb worth person usually is. If "Queen of Philippine Cinema" by a media house is the only quote getting repeated again and again as a proof of her legacy here, then maybe she shouldn't have a blurb. --𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 11:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Pull blurb How was this posted after a few hours with only 4 votes? This one is really puzzling. It was not even a breaking news story, it was already almost a day old when nominated. There's nothing on the BBC, nothing on AP or Reuters (the biggest news agencies in the world), nothing on CNN. In fact, none of these outlets seem to have EVER written about her, at least in recent decades. I'm sure she was notable in the Philippines but she was not well-known internationally. This should be pulled immediately and moved to RD. Johndavies837 (talk) 11:59, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  Again, ABS-CBN, Rappler and GMA News are generally reliable. I don't know why need to be sources like BBC or CNN if these I mentioned are obviously reliable. WP:FUCKVOTES or much likely WP:IGNORE. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:06, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment This is the LAST TIME I will entertained the comments about this blurb, 'cause it's too exhausting and some nonsense basis why they're opposing just like being racist just because it's not well known or not covered with BBC, CNN or on AP News. I do respect all your votes but WP:FUCKVOTES and I'll ignore it. If your past blurbs about a well-known or not posted and you just attacking my nomination cause it's not well known or their basis on notability and quality of the article and not posted, IT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBLE OR LIABLE IN THAT PAST BLURBS AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY OR WHY NOT POSTED DEATH BLURBS. Hope doing okay and thank you for your time. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Royiswariii: WP:KEEPCOOL. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 12:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  I'm not angry or frustrated, Like I said, I respect their opinions and their votes and I do not enterained their comments about this ITN nom since it's too off topic on their comparing and nonsense oppose. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:36, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  Calling editors racist because they oppose your nomination is really unacceptable. Johndavies837 (talk) 12:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I see consensus here for a pull, and the observation that this was posted hastily is quite valid, in my view. And the personal attack of “racist” calls for a stern warning from an admin, or even a block. Way, way over the line. Jusdafax (talk) 13:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Ridiculous, you are simply WP:BADGERING the discussion here and the personal attacks are simply uncalled for. Gotitbro (talk) 13:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Looking at this a bit further, I see the pejorative “racist” is being used against those suggesting a pull on the posting admin’s Talk page, in an attempt to shut down further discussion. Sanctions are in order asap, as I see it. Jusdafax (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Somebody not agreeing with your point of view is not a racist...everyone made good points, including the pulls & keeps. Keep it respectful. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:03, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Pull and support RD - Doesn't seem significant enough for a photo spot. E_F⁵ 14:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Pull and support RD Extremely hastily-posted, and doesn’t seem to have the global or even regional fame we typically require for death blurbs. “Only famous in one country” has often been used to oppose death blurbs and with all due respect, she seems like a prime example of that. I’m similarly unimpressed by the user above accusing oppose votes of racism. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - with the flurry of recent calls to pull this I think there is a clear absence of consensus for this item to be blurbed and it should be removed down to RD IMHO. Marking as attention needed.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:51, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Dražen Dalipagić

Article: Dražen Dalipagić (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eurohoops, Sportando
Credits:

• Nominated by Marko Mlinarić (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Dražen Dalipagić, a Yugoslav basketball player, one of best players during 1970s. FIBA Hall of famer Marko Mlinarić (talk) 10:25, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Far too many CN tags to be considered ITNRD level quality. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:48, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Anastasios of Albania

Article: Anastasios of Albania (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Teemu08 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Teemu08 (talk) 17:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC) Memory eternal!

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RD:Curtis Halford

Article: Curtis Halford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Jon698 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Jon698 (talk) 17:58, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Weak Support Short, but minimally adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:42, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Unk

Article: Unk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American rapper, the article is quite short but might still pass. Mooonswimmer 04:41, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose It is very short, it is 1,100 characters in prose length and should be classed as a stub (DYK uses a 1,500-character limit so I'm sure that carries over to ITN as well). Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Not Ready It's a stub. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Too stubby for ITN/RD. Ping me if article's size is increased. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:22, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Slovak protests

Article: 2025 Slovak protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests took place across Slovakia after prime minister Robert Fico's pro-Russia policies. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Protests took place across Slovakia in opposition to prime minister Robert Fico's pro-Russia policies.
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Nationwide protests are always ITN blurb worthy. ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

These have been going on for a while, and there's nothing to indicate that anything in the last day is more notable than the rest. These aren't violent either (at least, the article doesn't suggest there was any violence). There are peaceful protests happening everywhere in the world at any time, so it doesn't make sense to highlight any specific one. Masem (t) 02:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - Nothing special. Ordinary peaceful protesting. It happens all the time, everywhere. Only big protests that spiral into revolutions are really covered. Its not in the news for a bunch of people in slovakia to be contesting pro russian policies. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:14, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Alternate Blurb - Mass protests of this scale are significant enough to be newsworthy even if they don't lead to revolutions (yet). The original blurb needed some polishing, the alternative blurb offers this. Huertanix (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose – As of now the protests in themselves aren’t particularly blubworthy, but with the collapse of the coalition government I could see this evolving into something that may be bigger. Can’t see the future though. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 23:35, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

  A 130,000-people protest against a government for a small country is a huge event, IMHO. ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

oppose nothing of consequence but an usual right to protest.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:12, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Mimis Domazos

Article: Mimis Domazos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Greek Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek Footballer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:41, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article's sourcing and length looks fine to me. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:21, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 11:39, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose – Article is full of WP:FLUFF. Quality isn't up to standard. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:58, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Support Article could do with improvements to reduce fluff, but is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose until WP:NPOV and tone concerns are addressed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

January 23

Portal:Current events/2025 January 23

January 23, 2025 (2025-01-23) (Thursday) Disasters and accidents Four people are killed and five more injured in a stampede at Cambodian businessman Sok Kong's home in Phnom Penh. Kong was giving away food and money amid Lunar New Year celebrations. (AP) Law and crime 2024 Southport stabbing A court in Liverpool, England, sentences the man who was found guilty of killing three children and injuring 10 others in a mass stabbing in Southport, Merseyside, to life imprisonment with a minimum of 52 years in prison. (DW) LGBTQ rights in Thailand Thailand becomes the 38th country and the first in Southeast Asia to legalize same-sex marriage. (Reuters) The International Criminal Court prosecutor requests arrest warrants against Afghanistan's Taliban supreme leader Hibatullah Akhundzada and Taliban chief justice Abdul Hakim Haqqani, accusing them of crimes against humanity. (Reuters) United States federal law enforcement and ICE agents arrest nearly 500 undocumented migrants with arrest warrants in sanctuary cities, including in New Jersey and New York. (CTV News) Politics and elections Second presidency of Donald Trump Executive actions by Donald Trump Declassification of Records Concerning the Assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. U.S. President Donald Trump signs an executive order to declassify files related to the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. (Axios) U.S. District Judge for Washington John C. Coughenour temporarily blocks President Trump's executive order attempting to end birthright citizenship, calling it "blatantly unconstitutional". (Reuters) (The New York Times) The U.S. Department of State bans consular posts from flying any flags other than the U.S. flag as part of the Trump administration targeting several instances during the Biden administration when LGBTQ pride and Black Lives Matter flags were flown at embassies abroad. (The Guardian) 2024 Irish general election, Government of the 34th Dáil Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael form a coalition government with the backing of several independent TDs. Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin is elected as Taoiseach, with Fine Gael leader Simon Harris as Tánaiste. (Politico) Sports 2025 Australian Open In tennis, John Peers and Olivia Gadecki, both from Australia, defeats Kimberly Birrell and John-Patrick Smith 3-6, 6-4, 10-6, in the mixed doubles final to win their first Australian Open title. (The Guardian)

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RD: Jean-François Kahn

Article: Jean-François Kahn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telerama Gala
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by FrenchFootball (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French journalist TNM101 (chat) 15:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is far too stubby to be considered for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Jalgaon train accident

Article: 2025 Jalgaon train accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rail accident kills 12 in Maharashtra, India (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 12 dead as passengers get down on tracks, run over by another train Maharashtra, India
News source(s): CNN, BBC The hindu, Indian express
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 12 people were killed after being run over by the Pushpak Express in Maharashtra, India Spworld2 (talk) 09:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The Article is small and provides about the same amount of information as the blurb. –JLDynes 07:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Article is currently stub level status and needs more details to be fleshed out in order for this to be on ITN. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Article needs to be expanded a bit, once expanded can be posted TNM101 (chat) 12:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Comment I've copyedited the article and removed the tag that was present TNM101 (chat) 12:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, it is very short. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Unfortunately, multiple-death railway accidents occur every few months in India, see List of railway accidents and incidents in India. The article is very basic and there's no indication that this will have broader impact than the similarly deadly incidents in 2024, 2023 etc. This is tragic for those affected but we can't post every transport accident. PS. we did post the 2023 Odisha train collision, which had a death toll of 296, the second highest in India's history. Modest Genius ^talk 14:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Modest Genius. Unfortunately not an unusual occurrence in India, and the article doesn’t seem to elaborate on what makes this one overly special. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Modest Genius. Sad Indian routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. However @The Kip and Alsoriano97: may note that such highly sequenced accidents with rumour in a train leading to people jumping off to only be hit by another train are not common in India or any other part of the world, at least not eligible for speedy oppose on frequency. Thanks, --ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 17:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose on quality – somewhat stubby. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose – Although tragic, it is common in India that people die due to trains. The only ones that get posted are record breakers. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph:Oversimplification wrt this case. This was not an accident in a sense that it happened by mishap, but chain of sequences which could happen in any country. -ExclusiveEditor (talk) 05:29, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:SNOW? ArionStar (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Half or more opposes are on quality, which is a 'fixable opposition' and should be allowed to stay open per WP:ITN/A§ITN/C. It will eventually lapse whatsoever. -𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 06:09, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Same-sex marriage in Thailand

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Article: Same-sex marriage in Thailand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand becomes the 38th country and the first in Southeast Asia to legalize same-sex marriage. (Post)
News source(s): TIME Metro
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Historic event. ArionStar (talk) 00:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose "38th". Enough said. Masem (t) 00:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem and general lack of novel notability at this point. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, I do not see how this is important. It is the 38th and we don't post every single change in the law of every single country. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as this was already posted back in June when the law was passed by parliament. qw3rty 01:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Micheal Martin elected Taoiseach

Article: Micheál Martin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Micheál Martin (pictured) becomes Taoiseach (prime minister) of the Republic of Ireland as leader of a Fianna Fáil–Fine Gael coalition government. (Post)
News source(s): CNN BBC RTÉ
Credits:

• Nominated by Sheila1988 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Change of national leader (Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election) – the election took place in December but Taoiseach was not elected by Dáil (parliament) until now. Sheila1988 (talk) 21:25, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Needs work Neither the blurb nor the nominated article provide detail of the recent "chaos" and "Regional Independent Group" which are explained by the BBC article. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:45, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
  • The "chaos" and Regional Independent Group stuff is pretty minor, I think the article is fine Sheila1988 (talk) 23:16, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Support in premise lets fix the article then this is just a usual ITNR Ion.want.uu (talk) 03:13, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Pretty normal for ITNR. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:35, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

January 22

Portal:Current events/2025 January 22

January 22, 2025 (2025-01-22) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Moro conflict Militants from an offshoot branch of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front open fire against a United Nations livelihood project in Sumisip, Basilan, Philippines, killing two soldiers and wounding 12 others. (AP) Red Sea crisis The Houthis report that 25 crew members of the Japanese-operated roll-on/roll-off ship Galaxy Leader, including many foreign nationals, are released to Oman, with the Houthis citing support for the 2025 Israel–Hamas war ceasefire as the reason for release. (BBC) Colombian conflict A car bomb blasts inside a house in San Juan de Arama, Meta Department leave one dead. The authorities confirmed that the car was going to be used in a car bomb attack and the guerrilla was member of the Estado Mayor Central.(El Tiempo) Business and economy Constitutional crisis in Somalia, Transport in Somalia The Somali Airlines Operators Association, representing at least 20 airlines, suspends all flights beginning on January 22, 2025, in protest against increased government-imposed fees after disputes with the Ministry of Aviation and the Somali Civil Aviation Authority. (Shabelle Media) (Hiiraan Online) The Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace of the United States issues a report alleging that aerospace manufacturer Boeing, long associated with the Seattle, Washington area, has been relocating much of its engineering work to non-unionized sites both in the US and abroad. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2025 California wildfires January 2025 Southern California wildfires Hughes Fire The Hughes Fire ignites and spreads to over 5,000 acres in less than four hours, triggering mandatory evacuation orders in settlements around Castaic Lake in Los Angeles County, California, United States. (Los Angeles Times) (KTLA) 2025 Jalgaon train accident At least thirteen people are killed in a railway accident in Jalgaon, Maharashtra, India. The victims had initially fled from their train following an alleged fire alarm and were subsequently struck and killed by a passing train on the adjacent tracks. (BBC) January 20–22, 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard The death toll of a historic winter storm event on the Gulf Coast of the United States rises to 9 people. 8 in (20 cm) of snowfall is measured at Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport in Louisiana. The statewide snowfall record in Florida is broken as over 5.5 in (14 cm) falls in Molino. (CNN) International relations Red Sea crisis, Yemeni civil war U.S. President Donald Trump re-designates the Yemeni Houthi movement as a foreign terrorist organization. (The Hill) Law and crime Aftermath of the January 6 United States Capitol attack Pardon of January 6 United States Capitol attack defendants Daniel Ball, a rioter who took part in the riot at the United States Capitol, is arrested again despite being pardoned by Trump, making him the first rioter to get into additional legal trouble after the pardon. (The Hill) Antioch High School shooting A student is killed and two others are wounded in a school shooting at Antioch High School in Nashville, Tennessee, United States. The perpetrator kills himself. (CNN) Illegal immigration in the United States, Murder of Laken Riley The U.S. Congress passes the Laken Riley Act following a 263–156 vote in the House of Representatives, making it easier for immigration agents to detain and deport those without legal status who are charged with a variety of crimes ranging from theft to assault. It will head to President Donald Trump for his signature. (NPR) Hunt family murders Kyle Clifford, the perpetrator of the Hunt family killings in Bushey, England, in 2024, pleads guilty to three counts of murder. (BBC News) Two people are killed, including a two-year-old boy, and three others are injured in a mass stabbing at a park in Aschaffenburg, Bavaria, Germany. The perpetrator is arrested. (Reuters) One person is killed and two others are injured in a mass stabbing at Nagano Station in Nagano, Japan. (AP)

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(Ready) RD: Lynn Ban

Article: Lynn Ban (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death was first announced on January 22. Article was newly created on January 23. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:18, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support to an extent that I renominated it. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 18:41, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article's sourcing and length is good. B Class article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:59, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Needs work Support An interesting subject but I'm puzzled by the sentence, "They shared a son". This seems to suggest some unusual arrangement or divorce but I'm not seeing it, the source doesn't say much and other sources indicate that she was happily married to the father. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:13, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

  Resolved. Changed "shared" to "had". Cielquiparle (talk) 00:59, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks. And, sorry to be picky, but I notice that the NYT has her born in 1972 not 1973. I was looking for the year of the marriage but haven't found that yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:49, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Updated to 1972 citing New York Times as the source. There seems to be quite some confusion over this across all the coverage, with most sources at the moment citing the 1973 date. But in light of the fact that the US Records Index points to May 1972; this April 1998 New York Times article giving her age as 25; and this September 2014 Straits Times article clearly stating she was 42 years old at the time, it makes sense to go to 1972 for now. According to public records, they were married in 1999 but it doesn't seem worth reporting that unless it was covered in a reliable secondary source in a meaningful way. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:02, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks again. A lot of news sources will just repeat such details uncritically per churnalism but my impression is that the NYT will do fact-checking to confirm them. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Yes I'm satisfied that The New York Times is correct, as they updated their article two days after they first published and have also published a birth date. (Think some of the confusion from the other publications which followed her closely may have come from the date of her 50th birthday party which may have been much later than one might have expected.) Cielquiparle (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Barry Michael Cooper

Article: Barry Michael Cooper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter, BET
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Writer of the "Harlem Trilogy" films. Article seems to be in decent shape at a cursory look. Curbon7 (talk) 12:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose A CN tag is in the article, as well as some dodgy sourcing. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 22:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Nicholas Eadie

Article: Nicholas Eadie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Missclaireallen (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is orange tagged and has far too many unsourced statements to be recognized on ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:59, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

January 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard (and potentially Storm Eowyn)

Article: January 20–22, 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first recorded blizzard in the Gulf Coast of the United States (snowfall pictured in Carlyss, Louisiana) results in at least thirteen deaths and more than $14 billion in damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A winter storm in the Gulf Coast of the United States (snowfall pictured in Carlyss, Louisiana) results in record snowfall across several states and at least ten deaths.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A historic winter storm kills at least 10 and brings record snowfall to the Gulf Coast region of the United States (pictured) before fueling Storm Éowyn which brings extreme wind to the British Isles.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A trans-Atlantic storm system causes the first recorded blizzard in the Gulf Coast of the United States, an extratropical cyclone in the UK, and record wind speeds in Ireland, resulting in at least 15 deaths.
News source(s): CNN USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Unusual and impactful event. ArionStar (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose routine season weather (at least, in the face of climate change). Unless it causes significant deaths or damage, we don't post routine weather events. Masem (t) 22:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  It is the first blizzard recorded in the Gulf Coast history and caused $14–$17 billion in damage… ArionStar (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  To add to my oppose, the quality of this article is typical of these types of non-destructive storms – that is, poor. In that it is the equivalent of trainspotting wrt news topics. It just lists various things by state that were impacted or shut down without any attempt at a larger narrative structure. That might be good for starting an article but it does not represent the quality that other event articles at least get (And I'm ignoring the two empty sections at this point). Its the equivalent of WP:PROSELINE. At *least* there's no "thoughts and prayers"-type reaction section; what reactions are present are at least in context and actual "reactions" to response to the storm like states of emergency. And further, while some may think this is the first big storm in the south (just because the most SE states are getting snow), lest we forget February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm, which had a far more serious impact on the southern states than this one and was also a Gulf storm. Basically, most of the coverage on this storm is equivalent to first-world problems of people in an tech-savvy nation having to deal with snow for the first time in their lives. --Masem (t) 01:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support 10 inches of snow in New Orleans per NBC. Also, 5.5 inches of snow in Florida, a new record. 9 deaths isn't that much but given the state of infrastructure in the South being more prepared for heatwaves than cold snaps and blizzards that toll is going to rise a lot. I'd hold out on the monetary toll, though. Departure– (talk) 23:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support – "routine season weather" is absurd. And I wonder why non-hurricane weather is almost never featured at ITN... E_F⁵ 23:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  Perhaps people are missing the context? This is the deep South. It rarely ever snows down here. Especially in New Orleans and Florida. Especially when you get 10 inches (25 cm) at once. Departure– (talk) 23:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  And the blizzard has been described as "once-in-a-generation" event. ArionStar (talk) 23:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  Which is being blind to the effects of climate change. This weather will certainly happen again thanks to that, it's not once in a generation. — Masem (t) 23:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, but for now this is significant, and the "oh, just climate change" rationale shouldn't undermine that. Will we stop featuring Cat. 5 hurricanes if every one is bigger than the one a year before, assuming they happen yearly? E_F⁵ 23:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  If a cat 5 hurricane causes significant loss of life, yes. A blizzard may be unusual in the south but I see no reports of any deaths, just ppl being unable to leave homes and go to work. Masem (t) 00:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Correction I seen now ten deaths are reported, though I still feel that's a low number for this to be posted. Masem (t) 00:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Well, we currently feature a shooting in which only two people, neither of whom have articles, were killed, so I disagree. E_F⁵ 00:04, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support New Orleans received 10 inches of snow, when most years it receives 0, let alone a blizzard TheHiddenCity (talk) 23:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support as this is clearly a historic blizzard. Norbillian (talk) 23:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Unusual and perhaps entirely unprecedented meteorological event. Consider the fact that the damages in this situation likely don't factor in economic disruption, which will likely be quite high given poor road conditions are expected to persist through the end of the workweek in areas such as New Orleans. I have proposed an alt that adjusts a few things (I believe recorded records to be the main story here, actually, and I think "blizzard" is a bit misleading in this scenario; from what I heard, the full conditions for a "blizzard" were ultimately not met, even if "blizzard conditions" were present in some locales at some times). DarkSide830 (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support – insanely rare event. Solid impacts and several deaths. (not sure what happened to another user's and my comment) Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 01:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

   Question: observing the pile-on support, when is a blurb ready? ArionStar (talk) 03:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  @ArionStar: This question was asked only 5 hours after the nomination, during the middle of the night for editors in Europe. Unless there's some unusual urgency, it's usually best to wait 24 hours to give an opportunity for everyone to comment. Modest Genius ^talk 13:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you! I'm still understanding the ITN business. ArionStar (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support extremely unusual weather event, with record-breaking snowfall for areas that rarely see even an inch in a given year. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per others, deadly and unusual. --SpectralIon 05:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per others as this is a highly unusual(even unique?) record breaking event. Economic costs are likely to be massive. –DMartin 07:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The claims that this is unprecedented seem exaggerated as Snow in Louisiana and Snow in Florida contain many recent examples such as February 15–20, 2021 North American winter storm and February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm which both reached as far south as Mexico. Also I notice a typo of "wreck havoc" which needs work. FYI, see previous discussions including this and that with mixed results. My impression is that the 2021 Texas power crisis was a significant additional factor in the 2021 cases but we don't seem to have such an infrastructure failure this time. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Gulf Coastal Mexico is the southernmost near-sea level North Hemisphere place to ever have the tiniest amount of snow in recorded history. Likely most equatorial near-sea level sprinkle on Earth. Also did this one snow coastal Mexico or not? 12.74.62.22 (talk) 14:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support altblurb in principle, as this is an unusual and record-breaking storm with wide impacts. However the article is not ready due to having two orange-tagged section stubs. Those need some expansion before posting; otherwise the article is reasonably well developed. Modest Genius ^talk 13:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew and Masem. It's...winter in the northern hemisphere. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Florida does not typically get 4–8 inches of snow in that northern-hemisphere winter, and Louisiana does not typically get blizzard warnings. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  But it happens. It doesn't usually happen in the Sahara desert either (to compare latitudes) and I wouldn't consider ITN-worthy either. When we see snow in Rio de Janeiro or Fiji, maybe it is an extraordinary event. This is not a news ticket. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  See Snow in Florida and Snow in Louisiana. Not that rare. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  It's the lowest latitude US blizzard warning ever. Even New York City (latitude 41) has only had 5 blizzard warnings in the last over quarter century. The Sahara has mountains. The latitude record for even the slightest trace of near-sea level snow is c. 22 North (from Tampico In February 1895, snow was reported to have fallen in Tampico. This is the North American record for the farthest south report of snow at a coastal location, and makes Tampico one of the few places where snow has fallen in the tropics at sea level.). Rio is @ latitude 22.9068S no snow on record with a record low of 6.4°C Fiji's 17.7134S record low 5.6°C snow impossible in current climatic era almost impossible in the last ice age according to one of the world's climatology experts on snow possibility with an entire Pacific upwind of it there's a reason Bermuda 32°N has never had snow or 0°C (no sufficiently thick or near landmass connection to colder places). Also both Rio+Fiji are South Hemisphere which almost certainly makes snow harder than the same latitude North (look at how perfectly shaped North America is for low latitude snow cold air can flow all the way from Yukon (which has the lowest record low outside Greenland/Antarctic/Siberia -63C) to Tampico) it's excessive to demand snow there. Tampico record low only −1.5°C latitude 22.26N. The moist mild air+sub 0°C dry air fighting that makes the snow would tend to rapidly weaken the northern cold turning the few flakes to snow-melting rain ending any death risk as Gulf Mexicans have much more experience with rain. Also the linear storm wasn't aimed at coastal Mexico or extreme south Florida. Mountain Mexico yes but not Gulf Mexico (Bahamas got flurries). Hong Kong has had snow near sea level (22.2588N if HK Island though I suppose it could've been more like Shenzhen 22.5429N which is on the coast+borders HK), snow unheard of in Macau 22.1987Nish.12.74.62.22 (talk) 15:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  That's like saying a school shooting isn't notable because List of school shootings in the United States (2000–present) has dozens of cases a year. In the case of both, magnitude matters. Both articles include almost every possible edge case – the articles you've linked document any case of even flurries (ie not even a recorded dusting). What you're basically insinuating here is 10 inches of snow in a region where even an inch is uncommon is the same as ephemeral precipitation. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  This comment belies a radical lack of understanding about the shape of the earth and the distribution of weather relative to latitude. Is it your understanding that the Northern hemisphere is cold and the Southern hemisphere hot? LocoTacoFever (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  don't disrespect anyone on this site. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support bizarre and unprecedented weather event affecting an entire region. Snowfall records are being smashed – New Orleans got 8" of snowfall in a day, the previous daily snowfall record for New Orleans was 2.7" (source: NWS). LocoTacoFever (talk) 20:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is poor and does not even mention damages, let alone $14 billion. And I'd be surprised if a small bit of snow cost $14bn in damages? Meanwhile, "record snow" sounds good but is actually a small amount that most places wouldn't even consider for a moment. Black Kite (talk) 22:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  AccuWeather says $14 billion including economic effects. 12.74.62.22 (talk) 17:06, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose – the number of deaths in the article is completely unsourced, and at least 4 that I know of were the result of a traffic accident. Yes, snow causes slick roads and more traffic accidents. It snowed where it usually doesnt snow. Thats it, thats the story. nableezy – 23:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment – Both proposed blurbs currently say "...in the Gulf Coast...". This is not idiomatic – either it snows on the coast, or it snows in the Gulf Coast region. But perhaps we should say "along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico"? GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  I presume it is talking about the region, but it should be more clear. I wouldn't drag Gulf of Mexico in here for... obvious reasons. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 00:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support alt-blurb. The article could still be better, but this broke all-time records for snowfall in many places and is properly unprecedented for this region. Dragons flight (talk) 00:23, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose US isn't the only place affected by this storm, it's now Storm Éowyn in Europe which is being called a once in a generation storm in the UK: [4]. Either post a blurb containing both of these or neither, posting only the US effects of the storm is not appropriate. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:58, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

  Do you have a source connecting Eowyn to the Gulf Coast storm directly? Also, I think the move would be to propose an altblurb with both Eowyn and the Gulf Coast blizzard. We don't name storms like this in the United States unless they fall on a holiday (i.e. 1965 Palm Sunday tornado outbreak), are doubly so historic and devastating (i.e. 1993 Storm of the Century), or your name is IBM (The Weather Channel). Departure– (talk) 16:04, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

  I've added altblurb2 for if the events can be decisively connected. Departure– (talk) 16:08, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

  AP claims that Part of the storm’s energy originated with the system that brought historic snowfall along the Gulf Coast of the U.S., according to the lead international forecaster of AccuWeather. AccuWeather itself has its problems with reliability, and "part of the storm's energy" does not mean "the same system". A more reliable and conclusive source is needed to link Eowyn and this, but Eowyn could very easily have its own blurb. Departure– (talk) 16:11, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment This and Storm Éowyn in Ireland and the UK are the same weather system, producing once-in-a-generation effects on both sides of the Atlantic. (Wind gusts hitting 183 kph in Ireland! One third of the country without power.) At this point, the verified combined death total across all locations is in double digits, and rising. Perhaps a combined blurb? – Tenebris 66.11.165.112 (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

  While it seems that some of Eowyn may be due to the US storm, we have been extremely wary of combining storm blurbs unless it is clear they are the same effective weather system. Masem (t) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

  I agree with this stance. I really wish we didn't combine the March 31 and March 27 tornado outbreaks of 2023, because they were explicitly different systems, even if they were of the same type and in a somewhat similar location. March 31 in particular was a historic outbreak but only had half of a blurb because of this. Departure– (talk) 16:33, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment – although there was a possible tornado in the UK, Storm Eowyn is NOT a tornado. Please don't link the word tornado to Eowyn, and don't talk about tornadoes until RS confirms it. IMO, replace tornado with "extratropical cyclone". Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:01, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

But in any case, that's just two potholed links to the top of the Storm Eowyn article. We definitely shouldn't have that. I'm not opposed to a combined blurb, but it needs to be less of a coatrack than that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:00, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support The combined blurbs which include Storm Éowyn work for me, taking this to a higher level. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:43, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Alternative blurb III: This storm is unprecedented and potentially a bellwether for planetary climate weirding. The blurb version includes related weather effects and helps contextualize the storm as more than a mere fluke in one part of North America. Huertanix (talk) 18:47, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. What's the context on the photo of relatively light snow? Nfitz (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. Please don’t mark nominations as "ready" when they the target article is orange-tagged. Such a tag is a showstopper. Schwede66 07:02, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Stale Hungry403 (talk) 05:59, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Not stale. Occurred January 20, last event on ITN is from January 15. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:48, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tabish Mehdi

Article: Tabish Mehdi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Inquilab, Daily Jasarat
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Indian poet, a literary critic, journalist, and writer. Khaatir (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose His literacy work section needs more citations. Support All article quality issues have been cleared up. Well done, User:Khaatir. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Fakescientist8000 Thank you for your feedback. I have revised the Literary works section by reducing the number of books and retaining only a few key titles, with references that were already provided, such as Naqsh-e-Awwal (1971), Ghazal Khwani Nahin Jati (2020), and Hali, Shibli aur Iqbal (2017). These works are included with their proper citations and comply with Wikipedia’s guidelines. I hope this resolves your concerns. Khaatir (talk) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Enough for RD. Well done. Grimes2 (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Introduction of the article states "His writings have been described by some commentators as reflecting intellectual depth and creativity." but this is not discussed elsewhere in the article. Spencer^T•C 02:09, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Spencer Thank you for your observation. References have now been added to support the statement about Mehdi's writings reflecting intellectual depth and creativity. These references are provided at the relevant place in the article for verification. Let me know if there are further improvements needed. Khaatir (talk) 08:15, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Good to go imho. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 13:24, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Seems [No Citations Needed]. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:49, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – robertsky (talk) 21:21, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Charles A. Doswell III

Article: Charles A. Doswell III (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meteoweb
Credits:

• Nominated by Wildfireupdateman (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Meteorology researcher who pioneered the modern model of the supercell. I have notability/quality concerns but putting it here to see what others think. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Research should be better detailed, and there's an unsourced paragraph in there. Departure– (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose A few uncited statements throughout the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:15, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

January 21

Portal:Current events/2025 January 21

January 21, 2025 (2025-01-21) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Colombian conflict Catatumbo campaign 2025 Catatumbo attacks Fourteen members of the 33rd Front of FARC dissidents, including one minor, surrender to personnel from the National Army of Colombia to avoid combat with the ELN. (Blu Radio) The Office of the Inspector General of Colombia warns that about 46,000 schoolchildren have not been able to start the academic year due to the ongoing conflict in the region and asserted that about 35% of the affected displaced population are individuals under the age of 18. (El Espectador) Israeli incursions in the West Bank 2025 Israeli raid on Jenin Israeli forces launch a large-scale raid in the Jenin refugee camp, in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, killing at least ten people and injuring more than 35 others. (Al Jazeera) Kivu conflict M23 offensive M23 rebels seize the town of Minova in Kalehe Territory, Democratic Republic of the Congo, cutting off a major supply route to the strategic city of Goma. (Reuters) Mexican drug war Former regional prosecutor of Cuautitlán Elohim Díaz Jiménez and coffee businessman Cristian Muñoz are shot dead inside a restaurant in Metepec, State of Mexico, by gunmen disguised as food delivery workers. (El Universal) Syrian civil war Six people are killed in Homs Governorate, Syria, as security forces conduct an operation against militias supporting ousted president Bashar al-Assad. (Al Arabiya) Four people are injured, one seriously, in a stabbing attack in Tel Aviv, Israel. The Shin Bet confirm that the attacker was a 28-year-old from Morocco, and had permanent residency in the United States. (BBC) (The Times of Israel) (Xinhua) Business and economy Infrastructure policy of Donald Trump The Stargate Project U.S. President Donald Trump unveils a joint venture between OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank, called Stargate. With planned funding of up to $500 billion in the next four years, the project aims to build data centers and computing infrastructure across the United States to power AI development and create over 100,000 jobs. (The Guardian) President Trump announces a pause in $300 billion of funding for green infrastructure previously allocated in the Inflation Reduction Act and Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. (Financial Times) Disasters and accidents 2025 California wildfires January 2025 Southern California wildfires Multiple brush fires spread by hurricane-force winds erupt in San Diego County, California, U.S., prompting evacuation orders. (USA Today) 2024–2025 floods in Southeast Asia and South Asia Sixteen people are killed in floods and landslides in Central Java Province, Indonesia. (ABC) 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire At least 76 people are killed and another 51 injured in a fire at the Grand Kartal hotel in Kartalkaya, Bolu Province, Turkey. (Reuters) Seventeen people are killed and 23 more injured after a collision between a bus and a truck in Ponan-Ouinlo, Ivory Coast. (AP) Much of Canada and the contiguous United States are impacted by a cold wave, killing one person near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Historic snowfall is expected in the US South, and historic blizzard and whiteout conditions are expected on the Gulf Coast. (CNN) One person is killed and another is injured in an explosion at the Port of Barcelona in Barcelona, Spain. (Reuters) Twenty Ethiopian migrants are killed when their boat capsizes off Yemen after departing from Djibouti, according to the International Organization for Migration. (Al Arabiya) International relations Afghanistan–United States relations Two Americans held in Afghanistan are freed in exchange for a Taliban fighter in the United States. The deal is brokered by Qatar and finalized during the final hours of the outgoing Biden administration. (DW) Politics and elections Pope Francis announces that nun Raffaella Petrini will be appointed President of the Governorate, becoming the first woman head of government of Vatican City. She will assume the office on March 2025. (Catholic News Agency) Law and crime U.S. President Donald Trump pardons Ross Ulbricht, the creator of the Silk Road. Ulbricht was serving a life sentence for charges including conspiracy to commit money laundering, hacking, and drug trafficking. (Axios)

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(Posted) RD: Mauricio Funes

Article: Mauricio Funes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, Rtrs
Credits:

• Nominated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PizzaKing13 (talk · give credit), SalvadoranSoldier (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: President of El Salvador 2009–14 (FMLN), died in exile in Nicaragua on 21 Jan. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment This should be a blurb as Funes was the head of both state and government in El Salvador. Departure– (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Support, weak oppose blurb – Funes is nowhere near as well known than other world leaders. I might be thinking with a hint of Americentrism though. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment. I'd be surprised if he was deemed worthy of a blurb. It's not automatic for former heads of state/govt: Carter/Fujimori/Mandela/Thatcher he wasn't. There might be a case to be argued on the grounds of the "symbolic" importance of the handover of power after the Civil War, but it's not a strong one. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose blurb not a serving head of state/gov't. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD – article looks fine for that. No need for a blurb ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support article looks good to me. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose RD, oppose blurb Article still has one CN tag left that needs to be fixed, but Funes's death is not on the level of what I consider to be blurb worthy. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, support RD per Wildfireupdateman. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong support RD, Extremely weak oppose blurb Article looks good, former president of a growing country needs some recognition 70.107.88.211 (talk) 01:51, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, article looks sourced and is a suitable length. Suonii180 (talk) 01:54, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 02:06, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Francisco San Martin

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Article: Francisco San Martin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Spanish American actor. Death announced 21 January. Thriley (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Stub, under threat of CSD. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose and suggest close under procedure Article is 1 sentence long and is under AfD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose and close unless article is dramatically improved. A one-sentence stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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RD: Garth Hudson

Article: Garth Hudson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star, Ultimate Classic Rock
Credits:

• Nominated by GeoGreg (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American musician, member of The Band, death announced today. GeoGreg (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs some citation work before it can be put on ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jules Feiffer

Article: Jules Feiffer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by NathanielTheBold (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American cartoonist, death announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose 2 CN tags - and the Selected Works section needs some citation patch work. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire

Article: 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire in a ski resort hotel in Kartalkaya, Bolu Province, Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
• Created by BSRF (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Chorchapu (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Another tragedy. Another article to work. ArionStar (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Like all of my other votes, Oppose on quality but Support on notability Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bloxzge 025: in good shape now. ArionStar (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Looking better but still can be improved. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support 66 dead. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 14:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support 66 dead & counting, in a fairly developed country to boot. JayCubby 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support at least Seventy a significant fatal incident.QalasQalas (talk) 15:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support seems a substantial event with a surprisingly high death toll. But the article is disappointingly light on details or context – it's a basic news report. Good enough to post but I'd like to see better content. Modest Genius ^talk 15:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose tragic, but lacks long-term significance. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:8A7:24DA:C40D:85CB (talk) 16:06, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Of course not, as the death toll can rise and an investigation is already underway. ArionStar (talk) 16:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• I share the concerns expressed by Modest Genius. Schwede66 17:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per Modest Genius. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose – The event is significant enough for sure but until the article is expanded a bit more I don't think it should be posted. Certainly not ready in the current state. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support – Rest in peace to peoples who died from the fire. I know some peoples opposing it, but the article will be expand soon and the death toll might be rise. Bakhos Let's talk! 18:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Weak Support – article is slightly stubby. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Wait: 24 hours or so, see if the article gets fleshed out? As it currently stands, it's not something we should be proud to put on the main page. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Definitely worthy of being on the main page, at least 76 have died and 51 are injured. Chorchapu (talk) 19:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  There are 76+ deaths (and sadly counting) and it's a significant event. Definitely notable 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:NEWSEVENT explains "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, "shock" news, ...) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. I'm not seeing anything further in this case. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Posted – consensus that it's significant enough to post, and also rough consensus that quality is just about there. Hopefully it will be expanded further as more details emerge.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Håkon Bleken

Article: Håkon Bleken (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, abcnyheter.no
Credits:

• Nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. Oceanh (talk) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Some statements in the article still need citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Have added citations. Checking for dead links, I found four old newspaper articles (from 2003 and 2010) that are referenced to with dates and titles, but have dead urls (and not archived urls). Oceanh (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump executive orders

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Article: List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incoming US President Donald Trump (pictured) issues a flurry of executive orders including withdrawal from the Paris Agreement and the World Health Organization (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, Al Jazeera, DW
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by AndrewRT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pauliesnug (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Fixing nomination header from 'nomination header' to current title. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks. There must be a lot of cut-and-paste when preparing the orders too. I trust they also have someone carefully proof-reading them. :) Andrew🐉(talk) 11:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment See also United States withdrawals from the Paris Agreement as a potential target article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose – 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a nomination for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the American Wikipedia; this is the English Wikipedia. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:C5C1:C762:3EA7:2882 (talk) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Front-page news in Europe, of international political significance. Also nice Bond villain headshot on the main page. Sandstein 11:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: All that's missing is a pair of tiny hands stroking a white cat. Kurtis ^(talk) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Whilst these first orders might be more headline-friendly than usual, we aren't a Donald Trump news ticker. He also withdrew the USA from the Paris Agreement in 2017, so that's hardly surprising news at all. Black Kite (talk) 12:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? Black Kite (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose He promised this, this happened. There's nothing surprising here. In addition, the focus on Paris and WHO are likely the lowest of issues of importance that his EOs addressed, as there's far more furor over, for example, eliminating birthright citizenship (which is certainly going to be in legal limbo for a while). ITN is not a news ticker. --Masem (t) 12:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  There's a big difference between a promise and a decision that comes into effect (in this case, it's the former), and promises made by politicians during campaigns are usually not very reliable. He also promised to buy Greenland. Would you oppose it if that actually happens?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  If the actual legal transfer of Greenland from Denmark to the US actually happens, yes, but even EOs are not actual actions since most of these are likely to be tied up in legal actions Masem (t) 14:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose and snow close We are not a Trump news ticker. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close a politician doing politics. We will talk about it when the country's withdrawal from the WHO and the Paris Agreement is formalized. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed, and only if those withdrawals get significant international news coverage (which it probably will), especially with the WHO. Can I has Cheezburger? (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Routine government functions. Not everything Trump is news. Flibirigit (talk) 15:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:Not every single thing Donald Trump does deserves an article (or a mention ITN). Estreyeria (talk) 15:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Support – Front-page news everywhere PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, oppose the other orders or lumping them together, strong oppose on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For that exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. Modest Genius ^talk 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. nableezy – 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose just signing a bunch of orders is very nonspecific. If there was one in particular that stuck out maybe, but this is simply too broad to be useful. Withdrawal from the climate accords and WHO may be more acceptable, but would be best left til they actually happen. La Ovo (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not Trump's personal news station. Maybe the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, but not all the executive orders he's signed in the past 24 hours. qw3rty 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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January 20

Portal:Current events/2025 January 20

January 20, 2025 (2025-01-20) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Colombian conflict Catatumbo campaign 2025 Catatumbo attacks Colombian president Gustavo Petro declares a state of emergency in response to rebel attacks in the Catatumbo region. (MSN) The death toll from fighting in the Catatumbo region, Colombia, increases to more than 100 as the National Liberation Army (ELN) launches more attacks. The Colombian government vows "war" against the ELN with Colombian president Gustavo Petro saying that the group has "chosen the path of war, and a war they will have". (The Guardian) More than 11,000 people flee to the city of Cúcuta as ELN rebels clash with the 33rd Front of the FARC dissidents. Authorities say more than 20,000 people have now been internally displaced due to recent fighting. (France 24) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukrainian drones attack industrial facilities in Tatarstan, Russia, prompting the Russian Federal Air Transport Agency to temporarily suspend flights at Kazan International Airport in Kazan and Begishevo Airport in Nizhnekamsk. (ABC News) Israel–Hamas war An IDF reservist is killed and four others are injured, including a senior officer in critical condition, after their MDT David light armored vehicle hits a roadside bomb during a patrol in Tammun in the West Bank. (Times of Israel) The Palestinian Civil Defence (PCD) states that the remains of 137 people have been recovered from Rafah in the Gaza Strip since the start of the ceasefire. The PCD estimates that there are 10,000 bodies buried under rubble left to be recovered. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Kingdom Holding announces the resumption of construction on the 1,000 metres (3,300 ft)-tall Jeddah Tower in Saudi Arabia, which is expected to be the world's tallest building. (Al Arabiya) Law and crime January 6 United States Capitol attack Pardon of January 6 United States Capitol attack defendants United States President Donald Trump formally pardons around 1,500 defendants who had been criminally charged with involvement in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. Fourteen convicted individuals have their sentences commuted to time served. (NBC News) 2024 Kolkata rape and murder A court in Kolkata, India, sentences a 33-year-old police volunteer to life in prison for raping and murdering a medical trainee in August 2024. (DW) 2024 Southport stabbing Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to all 16 charges, including three charges of murder in relation to a mass stabbing in Southport, Merseyside, England, in July 2024. Rudakubana is expected to be sentenced on Thursday. (ITV News) Capital punishment in China China executes the perpetrators of the 2024 Zhuhai car attack and the 2024 Wuxi stabbing attack. (Al Jazeera) China–Philippines relations Philippine police arrest a student of the People's Liberation Army for allegedly attempting to spy on several military facilities, including U.S.-accessible bases under the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement. (Reuters) Presidency of Joe Biden Outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden issues pre-emptive pardons for his siblings, former Chief Medical Advisor Anthony Fauci, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley and members of the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack prior to President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration. Biden also commutes the sentence of Indigenous activist and convicted murderer Leonard Peltier. (BBC News) (HuffPost) Eight people are killed and seven others are injured in an arson attack at a nursing home in Barajevo, Belgrade, Serbia. (Reuters) Politics and elections Second presidency of Donald Trump Second inauguration of Donald Trump Donald Trump and JD Vance are inaugurated as the 47th president and 50th vice president of the United States in Washington, D.C., with Trump becoming the first president since Grover Cleveland to serve non-consecutive terms. (AP) The inauguration is held indoors in the United States Capitol rotunda due to extreme cold temperatures, making it the first inauguration since 1985 to be held indoors. (Today.com) During celebrations of the inauguration, businessman Elon Musk makes two gestures to a crowd at the Capital One Arena that some on social media liken to Nazi salutes. The gestures were made as Musk thanked the crowd, stating "My heart goes out to you." Musk denied any meaning behind the gestures. (BBC News) (The Independent) (AJ) Executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump On his first day of his second term, Trump signs his first executive orders on gender and immigration, and also signs an order ending usage of the CBP One app. (Boston Globe) Trump signs the Putting America First In International Environmental Agreements executive order directing the U.S. to withdraw from the Paris Agreement. (AP) Trump signs an executive order directing the U.S. to withdraw from the World Health Organization. (Reuters) Trump signs executive orders calling for the renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the "Gulf of America" and for Denali to return to its former name "Mount McKinley". The rename would apply to all references from the federal government. (CBS News) Trump declares illegal immigration a national emergency under the National Emergencies Act. (Reuters) Trump officially creates the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) led by Elon Musk aimed at cutting spending of the U.S. government. DOGE is a temporary organization under the United States DOGE Service, not a federal executive department. Within minutes of the announcement, government employee unions, watchdog groups, and public interest organizations sued over this executive order. (Reuters) Trump signs an executive order to delay enforcement of the law banning TikTok in the United States for 75 days. (CNN) Trump revokes Biden's removal of Cuba from the state sponsors of terrorism list. (Reuters) Protests against Donald Trump Anti-Trump protests are held in cities across the United States, as well as in other countries, such as Mexico, Panama, and the United Kingdom. (The Guardian) Second cabinet of Donald Trump The United States Senate unanimously confirms Marco Rubio as Secretary of State, making him the first Cabinet official of Trump's second term to be confirmed by the Senate. Rubio also becomes the first Latino American to serve as Secretary of State. (The Hill) Sports 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship In American football, the Ohio State Buckeyes win their 9th college football championship, defeating the Notre Dame Fighting Irish. (Fox Sports)

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(Posted) RD: John Sykes

Article: John Sykes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SilverBullitt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Guitarist for Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang. Death announced on Jan 20. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is long enough and has enough citations to qualify for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:03, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support B class article, Guardian obit. He died last year. Grimes2 (talk) 14:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024–25 College Football Playoff

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Article: 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In college football Ohio State defeats Notre Dame to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In college football the Ohio State Buckeyes defeat the Notre Dame Fighting Irish to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff.
News source(s): Guardian live updates
Credits:

• Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: They finally found a way to hike tournament size from 4 teams to 12 removing or greatly weakening one of the arguments against posting. Tradition+New Years Six tourism beneficiaries is why it took so long (college football started 1869 AD). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Amateur sport. We post the Super Bowl as it is the top, professional event in football for the US.Noah, BSBA^Talk 01:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Is it really amateur if most if not all of the payers are on sports scholarships to their respective colleges? HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is not the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. Noah, BSBA^Talk 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than Super Bowl quarterback Brock Purdy. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. Noah, BSBA^Talk 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Man, I hate to be the one to tell you about the NIL, but college players are being paid salaries now. Scuba 21:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Support top level of college football, any claim that it is amateur is clearly coming from people who have never watched a game of D1 college football in their lives. Scuba 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

'College football' is not a separate sport. The top level of American Football is the Superb Owl. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

If "Canadian Football" is a separate sport (we post the grey cup), then College Football is also a separate sport, since the rules are just as different. I'm sure that Owl is really Superb. Scuba 15:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong Support This is the major championship of probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the US. Anyone opposing on the basis of "amateur" status is so ill-informed that they really shouldn't be commenting at all. How it isn't ITN/R is beyond me. If this isn't ITN/R, then we need to get rid of about 2/3s of the recurring events listed on that page. LocoTacoFever (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

"This is the major championship..." – No, it's not. That's the Superbowl. This is nothing like that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. HiLo48 (talk) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

They make up to $6.2 million from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment It's still January 20 in America, so this should be moved to yesterday. Departure– (talk) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Moved. Masem (t) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

It's not UTC date? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that. — Masem (t) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? DarkSide830 (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, once winner determined. This is a massive, massive deal in the U.S. – the second biggest sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 ("Record number of international athletes proves college football is now global"), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive several million per year for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the largest sports stadiums in the world being for college football. I previously made a comparison of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly every single one we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals and the World Series, which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wait The game is not over yet. ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability per Beanie. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose – I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. nableezy – 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting any university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year – that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious – there are only very minor rules adjustments, less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. Modest Genius ^talk 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Is Canadian football a different sport? Its cup is rightfully on+its rules are different enough that their attempt @ a binational expansion+some but not all crossover players failed but similar enough that many Canadians are fans of American football or both. Even 1st or 2nd college football draft picks can+have failed to adjust to the NFL the strategy's different. More games, longer season, smaller rosters, better defense, less off-season to try to fully recover from that, lower average scores. Defense is so hard to learn they rarely if ever master it till they're already in NFL. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Considering that new NIL deals mean that top college players make more than some low-end professional players, can we really consider NCAA college ball to be 'amateur'? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose – We don't post the Boat Race, we don't post other nations' student events, we shouldn't post this. (And we also shouldn't post NCAA Basketball.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support — Nowadays, college football isn't really an "amateur" version of American football but rather just a different version of it, one that is massively popular in the United States (and, in ITNC lingo, whose conclusion was widely covered by reliable sources). And I disagree with the idea that we only post the "top" competition in each sport. The World Cup is undoubtedly the highest and most prestigious level of competition in international football, but we still post the UEFA Euro and Copa America, for instance. And, of course, as many have mentioned, we do indeed post the NCAA college basketball tournament in the U.S. DecafPotato (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  College football playoffs last year had about 15 M viewers. The Super Bowl nearly 100 M. The latest World Cup was estimated to be 5 billion worldwide. It is extremely clear that association football has massive worldwide interest that featuring only the World Cup would be trivializing the sport. Masem (t) 01:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Quality article, covered widely in the press. In general, I favor posting major university-level sporting events as long as there is a quality article. Spencer^T•C 03:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Whilst I wouldn't post the NCAA either, I can at least admit that it gets decent coverage outside the USA, i.e. on BBC Sport. This event, however, does not appear in the news to that level at all – for example there does not appear to be a BBC Sport story on it at all; there is a Sky Sports story but it's not on the front pages and is indeed buried down as the 7th story on the NFL page. Black Kite (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • International coverage? You mean like throughout Canada, in Argentina, Australia, Chile, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Spain, Switzerland, and last year there was also Israel, Japan and others? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:06, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Admittedly I am a Buckeye so I do have a bit of bias, but I believe that the amount of international coverage described to by BeanieFan is sufficient to warrant inclusion. Plus, college football is easily one of the most internationally significant parts of American culture, up there with apple pie. Some teams such as Bama have sizable followings across Mexico, China, Australia, and Western Europe (per al.com) InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks

Article: 2025 Catatumbo attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of attacks perpetrated by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region, Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of attacks in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of attacks by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The article is under construction but we have relevant events in the Colombian conflict. ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability as it’s a major escalation of the previously-quiet Colombian conflict. Oppose on quality, however, as the article’s still quite short. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  Waiting for updated news; I have difficulties editing infoboxes, could someone help me? ArionStar (talk) 03:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  @ArionStar Tried my best to do so. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks! Improvements  Done. @The Kip: better now? ArionStar (talk) 04:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Per the List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts, this war has been ongoing since 1964 and there were over two thousand deaths last year. And the similar cartel/drug wars in Mexico are even worse. This incident is therefore just a drop in the ocean and not significant per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson it’s been decades since any single attack in this conflict has killed anything even close to this many people. Are you genuinely serious? The Kip ^(contribs) 16:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  The nomination is for a "series of attacks" not a single attack. The List of ongoing armed conflicts gets its numbers from ACLED. This has a detailed report on Colombia in recent years. This includes a chart of "Violent events involving armed groups" for each year from 2018 to 2024 and these seem quite steady with about 2,000 killed each year. Q.E.D. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support – this is clearly in the news per [5][6][7] and 80 people killed is way beyond the unofficial never-to-be-mentioned "WP:MINIMUMDEATHS" threshold that I would personally consider an indicator of significance. Quality looks reasonable for a short article too  — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per Amakuru, he said it perfectly. It's in the news, an unusually high number of deaths, and the article quality is sufficient given the recent nature of the attacks (shorter is to be expected when recency is a factor). Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Stephen: please, include "results in more than a hundred deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced". It is a important part of the event. ArionStar (talk) 00:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Better: "A series of attacks in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency". ArionStar (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Those are details best left to the article. Stephen 02:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Not about the state of emergency declaration. ArionStar (talk) 02:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Stephen: An earlier item used "A series of wildfires [...] leaves". Is "A series of attacks [...] leave" intentional here? J3133 (talk) 11:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Fixed, thanks. Stephen 18:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Stephen: I think to add "while president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency" is appropriate. ArionStar (talk) 21:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Stephen: still waiting for your feedback. ArionStar (talk) 03:04, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Cecile Richards

Article: Cecile Richards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:Weak oppose 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. Departure– (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article has enough citations and length for ITNRD. The uncited awards have photo evidence in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  I see another citation in the article for the presidential award but nothing for the Legion of Honour. Departure– (talk) 15:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  I am only finding it on Instagram, so far. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  In that case, I'm challenging and removing the claim. Instagram isn't an RS for addding an award like this. Support on quality. Departure– (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump

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Article: Second inauguration of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump and JD Vance are inaugurated as President and Vice President of the United States.
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by JohnAdams1800 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This occurs at noon EST today. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - A routine event that is the consequence of another event - the November election - which we already covered. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Consensus in the past has been against the posting of inaugurations. Masem (t) 14:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. We already posted the election results and don't double up with inaugurations as well. Also, it hasn't happened yet. Modest Genius ^talk 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong oppose we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. Departure– (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Support meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:3DEF:5E7B:72CC:6A64 (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose presidential inaugurations are not ITNR nor ITN-worthy. Consensus must be kept in mind so as not to have this discussion every four years. And in fact, the formal ceremony has not even begun. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose Trump was already elected in November, this is just a normal consequence of that. We didn't post Biden's inauguration nor Trump's first. OTD already has a link to Inauguration Day for anyone looking for it on the front page. PolarManne (talk) 15:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

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